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| 2:40:16 PM - Tue, Nov 29th 2011 |
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So I'm on eBay this morning when I come across this photo for sale...
After the initial excitement of possibly finding what could be a new kirkbride I checked the database and found that we had no entry for this hospital. So I did some quick research and this was apparently the third building the Sisters of Charity used for their hospital in Baltimore, MD. But it was the first one they had purpose built.
From the 1916 report:
"The hospital consists of a main building and four extensive. wings. The former is five stories high, with an attic surmounted by a dome 160 feet from the ground, which affords a magnificent view of the city, the bay and the surrounding country. In the center or main building are located the reception rooms, the parlor, the billiard room, the Sisters' apartments, chapel, special private rooms, the dormitories for patients and the sewing rooms. The wings are appropriated to the exclusive use of patients."
It looks like the building was demolished in the 1980s. Here is an aerial from 1971...
From the looks and the description I believe this may be a kirkbride. Thoughts?
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| 2:41:46 PM - Tue, Nov 29th 2011 |
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BTW, I did create a database entry for this hospital. It's a rough draft right now, I intend to revisit it later today or this week.
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| 7:29:37 PM - Tue, Nov 29th 2011 |
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Very interesting and deffinantly worth looking into.
It looks like you sir have discovered a lost kirkbride.
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| 3:54:18 AM - Wed, Nov 30th 2011 |
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| Something about nuns building Kirkbrides! This is the 3rd I can think of that was privately run by an order of sisters. Could try contacting the Catholic Diocese for Baltimore, most dioceses have kept pretty good records. They might have photos/blueprints for the building along with other records.
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| 3:02:19 PM - Wed, Nov 30th 2011 |
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My question here is what type of patients did a "retreat" treat? Was it limited to what we'd now call mental healthcare or did it incorporate other medical services?
Which brings me to the larger question of is a building still a Kirkbride if it's intended use is for purposes other than or in addition to mental healthcare?
Either way that is a really cool find, a sick photo, and an very impressive building!
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| 4:06:52 PM - Wed, Nov 30th 2011 |
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http://www.monumentalcity.net/buildings/seton/
You can find more info here. It looks like it was a psychiatric facility until sometime around 1946. At that point the cuts in patient population due to effective medications and other treatments caused a slight change in focus, but ended with the facility closing in 1973 due to lack of people. It also changed name in 1946 to the Seton Institute.
Also found you an architect. [1] - appears this was his first major work through his employer, Niernsee & Neilson.
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Edited On 4:11:34 PM - Wed, Nov 30th 2011 by Evilavatar
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| 6:49:45 PM - Wed, Nov 30th 2011 |
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Nice find Evilavatar!
As far as the types of patients, from what I have read so far it sounds like they treated the same patient types as any state hospital. They added "retreat" to the name in 1870 when the hospital moved to its final location. The data I found so far doesn't specify why they added it.
I also found this to be interesting "and was being financed through a combination of funds from the city, counties, state and private patients". This is on the website Evilavatar linked to. Now who knows where that person got their info, but if this is true it would make this a public hospital and not private as I had originally believed.
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| 3:21:06 AM - Thu, Dec 1st 2011 |
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| I talked to someone at the Daughters of Charity this afternoon & she said she would see what she could find. They have someone that deals with the historical archives, hopefully I'll hear something soon. I imagine the public funds were probably few and far between since it was run by a religious order.
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| 1:49:07 PM - Thu, Dec 1st 2011 |
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| Cool, thanks Squad! I was going to call myself but I have been sick all week and do not have much voice right now.
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| 1:57:11 PM - Thu, Dec 1st 2011 |
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Sorry for not saying much, I have been off the wall busy for the past couple of weeks working on my personal project. But I am extremely thrilled to see that Thomas uncovered another Kirkbride. I wonder how many more are left to be discovered?
Sweet work everyone else who have been finding more information.
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| 3:31:17 PM - Thu, Dec 1st 2011 |
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http://digital-libraries.saic.edu/cdm4/index_halic.php?CISOROOT=/halic
You guys are gonna love this. So I found this architecture and design site while looking for more info on the architect that built mount hope. thought maybe I'd find a plan. Turns out John neirnsee was the architect that designed Johns Hopkins. [1] Can't find anything on mount hope, but there are tons of other historic architecture pics in the archive. You can search by architect or city/state.
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| 4:35:21 PM - Thu, Dec 1st 2011 |
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Quote:Squad546 Thu 1st 3:21 am I imagine the public funds were probably few and far between since it was run by a religious order.
Especially a Catholic one. lol
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| 5:20:17 PM - Thu, Dec 1st 2011 |
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| I gotta say.. I could stare at the dome on this building all day long. It's so odd shaped because it's really tall but not wide and yet the way it's decorated makes it all acceptable. Judging from later photos it looks like the dome was removed at some point before the building was ultimately demolished.
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Quote:Evilavatar Thu 1st 3:31 pmhttp://digital-libraries.saic.edu/cdm4/index_halic.php?CISOROOT=/halic
You guys are gonna love this. So I found this architecture and design site while looking for more info on the architect that built mount hope. thought maybe I'd find a plan. Turns out John neirnsee was the architect that designed Johns Hopkins. [1] Can't find anything on mount hope, but there are tons of other historic architecture pics in the archive. You can search by architect or city/state.
Nice find!
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| 8:47:01 PM - Thu, Dec 1st 2011 |
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Quote:Thomasp94 Thu 1st 5:20 pmI gotta say.. I could stare at the dome on this building all day long. It's so odd shaped because it's really tall but not wide and yet the way it's decorated makes it all acceptable. Judging from later photos it looks like the dome was removed at some point before the building was ultimately demolished.
I agree, it is neat. It is almost not so much a dome as it is a huge cupola.
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| 1:18:24 AM - Sat, Dec 3rd 2011 |
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Great find!!!!!
Anyone told Ethan yet, he should know about this so he can update the list.
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Edited On 1:18:52 AM - Sat, Dec 3rd 2011 by Duffy
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