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DCAM has filed paperwork to demo what is left of the original building. There is a small last ditch effort to save just the clocktower portion of the admin. (very confusing but apparently the clocktower is somewhat of a seperate substructure withing the larger admin. building!).

You can read the article here:
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WORCESTER — State officials are seeking approval to demolish the historic Worcester State Hospital Clock Tower building but local preservationists hope a compromise can be brokered to save some of the structure.

The Division of Capital Asset Management and the state Department of Mental Health this month filed paperwork with state environmental officials and the Massachusetts Historical Commission to tear down the five-story, 52,000-square-foot building off Belmont Street after concluding that reusing the structure is “not financially feasible.”

The state's Executive Office of Environmental Affairs will conduct a site visit at 2:30 p.m. Jan. 5 in Room 5C of the Bryan Building, 305 Belmont St. Written comments on the demolition request are due Jan. 10.

The state plans to open a $302 million psychiatric hospital next summer about 115 feet northeast of the Clock Tower on 26 acres of the former Worcester State Hospital grounds. Worcester State Hospital was the first state-owned hospital in the country to treat mental illness.

The state had been working with Preservation Worcester and the Worcester Historical Commission investigating redevelopment efforts but those plans were dealt a blow this year when the National Park Service ruled that the Clock Tower, which was listed in 1980 on the National Register of Historic Places, did not qualify for federal tax credits.

Park Service officials said the Clock Tower, which was damaged in a 1991 fire, no longer retained architectural integrity. Developers sell tax credits to investors to raise equity and capital in their projects.

The building's granite and brick façade, clock tower, turret, colonnades and balustrades made it a prime example of Victorian-Gothic architecture. In recent years, it has been listed on Preservation Worcester's Endangered Structures list.

Deborah S. Packard, executive director of Preservation Worcester, said today she hopes an agreement can be reached to at least preserve the Clock Tower portion of the building. Her organization had hoped to save the entire building but a fitting memorial would also be if the thin, tower portion, which overlooks Lake Quinsigamond, could be saved from the wrecking ball

“It would end up being a long needle,” she said. “It's a separate substructure and could be saved.”

Fixing the tower might cost an extra $1 million to $1.5 million and several organizations have expressed interest, she said. The state plans to spend $3 million to tear down the building, she said.

“We will still fight for the clock tower,” she said today. “We still would love to see the building remain but they've determined it's too expensive.”


http://www.telegram.com/article/20111226/NEWS/111229625/1116

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I was in a hurry to spread the word but I need to give credit where it's due. I first saw this reported by Ethan over at www.kirkbridebuildings.com.

Everyone keep thier fingers crossed!

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I saw Ethan post this on Facebook. I agree with the "better than nothing" thought process. But really?.. just the clock on a big brick tower? Not only is that going to look stupid, but there is no way that it could possibly be stable. I'm no architect, but I don't see how they could separate the "clock tower" from the admin, there is no way the admin was built in such a fashion that it would be possible to do that. More than likely if this happens they will probably end up sitting the clock on the ground as-is in some sort of concrete foundation. A four story tall brick tower just seems very unlikely.

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Yeah, it is unlikely now that I think about it, and it would look stupid -- that part I always realized.

Maybe they're thinking about laying it on its side

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Think we could argue that the admin is separate from the hospital and historic in its own regard could incite the NPS to reconsider ins tax credit situation? I know 95% of kirkbrides referred to their admin as the "center" or "administration" when referring to construction? We could point to Danvers, etc?
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I'm gonna talk to the NRHP Historian about the tax credits.

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Best of luck, if I can help in any way let me know.

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I doubt they would reconsider, usually once the National Park Service makes a decision, that's it. To qualify for the tax credits, there is quite a bit that has to be done & guidelines it has to meet. About the only thing that would be a big help at this point is for a senator to get on board. From what I found on the NPS site, is that it isn't just the clock tower/admin that in on the historic register but "Worcester Asylum and related buildings (added 1980 - - #80000530)" 11 buildings in all. I would guess the paper quoted it wrong.

As for saving just the tower, I'm with ThomasP. I cant imagine that would be structurally sound. Not sure how much the preservation group has done to research that as a viable option. Also, have they hired an attorney? A lawsuit could probably buy sometime if nothing else. Unfortunately being on the Historic Register doesn't prevent demolition, only landmark status can do that.

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An article with some news, nothing big yet, but looks like they're going to meet with the city & state about saving the clock tower. Unfortunately they never say if they mean the admin or just the clock tower.

Clock Tower may have one last chance

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An interesting but somewhat vague article, as you said, no real indication on what exactly they are talking about.

This pretty much sums up the issue though:
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It would be unfair — and fiscally unwise — for Worcester officials or local legislators to seek millions of dollars in additional funding to stabilize and preserve the Clock Tower at this time. But neither is there any pressing need for the state to proceed with demolition before Preservation Worcester has had every opportunity to explore ways to save the structure, perhaps through a combination of private, corporate and charitable sources.


This statement just kills me! Anyboby remember the "memorial fountain" they were supposed to put in at the sight or Northampton?
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DCAM’s plans for the Clock Tower site range from a garden to some kind of monument marking the tower’s location.

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Apparently none of them are considering how much it would cost to leave the building alone, where it has been standing just fine for the last 140 years.

Honestly, how much could it possibly cost to throw on a new roof and some good boards? I bet I could find a contractor who would do it for no more than 250k, vs demo which apparently costs millions dollars.

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This statement just kills me! Anyboby remember the "memorial fountain" they were supposed to put in at the sight or Northampton?
[quote=]DCAM’s plans for the Clock Tower site range from a garden to some kind of monument marking the tower’s location.


I remember that. Heck, wasn't DCAM or the developer supposed to do something simular with Danvers but never did?

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Apparently none of them are considering how much it would cost to leave the building alone, where it has been standing just fine for the last 140 years.

Honestly, how much could it possibly cost to throw on a new roof and some good boards? I bet I could find a contractor who would do it for no more than 250k, vs demo which apparently costs millions dollars.


Agreed!!!

You could probably get enough volunteer help to off some costs. Just freshen up the look on the outside, fix water leaks, and let the thing alone for another 10 years or whenever they find a buyer. The amount of money it costs to demolish a place versus just letting it sit. States are obviously no strangers to letting their building sit Don't see what the rush is now.

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Not sure about what, if anything, was done or promised at Danvers but here is a link about the Northampton story:

http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=8631


Soldat has a good point, I too don't see what the big rush is and how it could hurt to take a longer term approach to rehabilitating the Admin. However I'm guessing the issue is and always has been that the "powers that be" don't want what they consider an eyesore sticking out like a sore thumb right in front of thier nice new $300million hospital!

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Not sure about what, if anything, was done or promised at Danvers but here is a link about the Northampton story:

http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=8631


Soldat has a good point, I too don't see what the big rush is and how it could hurt to take a longer term approach to rehabilitating the Admin. However I'm guessing the issue is and always has been that the "powers that be" don't want what they consider an eyesore sticking out like a sore thumb right in front of thier nice new $300million hospital!


the new 300 million dollar hospital is an eyesore of it's own >.<


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